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Apr. 18th, 2007 @ 07:28 am Rant #17
Linda Rant

Let me preface by saying... I'm sure Linda was a fantastic wife, mother, humanitarian, miniature golf player...etc.

NOW THEN... why in the world did she have to be in Paul's band? She was not a musician or singer. I seriously believe that her mere presence in the band undercut a huge chunk of Paul's credibility as a solo artist. I know it was Paul's idea to have her in the band but why didn't Linda have the good sense to say "no"? If she was such a talented photographer, why did she ditch that career to do something for which she had zero talent? (I know she eventually released some photography books but a couple of books over the course of 30 some odd years is not a photography career)

It annoys me that she had to be in everything Paul did. Even after Wings ended, there she was in all of his videos, concert performances and even in Magical Mystery Tour part 2..er..ah..Give My Regards to Broad Street.

I think Paul's solo career would have been much better off if Linda would have kept her own career and stayed away from the stage and recording studio.
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From:queenpeladon
Date:April 18th, 2007 01:38 pm (UTC)
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You are very brave for writing this rant, and you have my full support for it - I'm of much the same opinion.
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From:abromeds
Date:April 18th, 2007 01:44 pm (UTC)
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Well, I do sort of agree... that Paul may very well have put out better music had he not had a "security blanket" around all the time. He might have felt more pressure to excel, he may have felt more accountable to his band for the stuff he brought into the studio. That makes sense to me.

But OTOH, would he have had enough confidence to perform? I don't think he would have, at least in the very early 70s. He wasn't particularly stable around that time, so I think he genuinely needed Linda up on stage with him then. And Linda did say "no" at first, and would regularly ask to be "let go" from the band; it was Paul who insisted. And I don't think either of them were ever under any delusions as to why she was there: she was there for Paul's peace of mind, period.

And she did gradually become a little less involved post-Wings, though again, as you said, I rather wish Paul had been able to really go it alone before then. I don't mean that in a harsh or critical way; I wish that for both their sakes.

Then again, I'm glad Paul's music was not his number one priority. I'm sure it suffered from being a distant second to his family, but that's as it should be, and I respect Paul's attitude there.

And it's not like the guy's been a huge disappointment, heh, I love Paul's solo music -- maybe only a quarter of it, but when he's done 50-whatever albums, that's plenty! ;P.

So...?

Interesting topic! I'm interested in what others have to say... :)
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From:zyzzybalubah
Date:April 18th, 2007 02:02 pm (UTC)

About Paul's confidence...

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I'll never understand why Paul had such insecurity as a solo artist right after the break up. Especially since he really carried the bulk of some of the Beatles biggest successes (Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, Abbey Road & Let it Be, maybe that one was not such a success). After the split, he really should have kept working with George Martin and carried on like normal since he was doing a lot by himself by the end of the Beatles anyway.
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From:abromeds
Date:April 18th, 2007 01:47 pm (UTC)
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And I agree it's sad that Linda's photography went by the wayside like that. Paul's comment: "Linda was a very talented, serious woman with a great career, which I wrecked." :(
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From:adaveen
Date:April 18th, 2007 01:51 pm (UTC)
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Oh - that is a GREAT line! I'm starting to love Paul more every day.

She was a WONDERFUL photography. And he did - he wrecked her career!
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From:adaveen
Date:April 18th, 2007 01:50 pm (UTC)
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That's funny - I feel the very same way.

...about Yoko.

I think this was a bizarre way for Paul to get back at John, sort of an "I can play THAT game" thing.

Personally, I wish NEITHER of them had dragged their girlfriends into their musical pursuits.



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From:queenpeladon
Date:April 18th, 2007 01:59 pm (UTC)
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"I think this was a bizarre way for Paul to get back at John, sort of an "I can play THAT game" thing."

I've always held exactly the same opinion.

However, I find it much easier to tolerate Yoko's involvement in John's career because, basically, she was a musician herself. Whether or not you rate her contributions to John's career, at least she had the credentials. Whereas Linda's involvement in Wings was pretty indefensible.
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From:zyzzybalubah
Date:April 18th, 2007 01:52 pm (UTC)
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Ranter, I believe this to be the most insightful and well written rant that has ever graced this community! ;-)
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From:lildevilgirl06
Date:April 18th, 2007 05:11 pm (UTC)
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I don't think that Linda was DRAGGED into it, if you watch Wingspan she thought it'd be pretty cool to do, although she did admit she sucked as a musician but she was open to it because she wanted to be with Paul (and vice versa) and what better way to be with Paul than to be in the band?

And although Yoko may MUSICALLY have been better, I really can't stand her voice and at least with Linda I can stand to listen to it, and actually I enjoy some of the songs that her voice is more prominent on like "Long Haired Lady."

But I agree that his music may have been better accepted by people or it may have been better if Linda wasn't a part of it, but Wings was pretty successful so I'm sure neither of them complained about it.

And I don't think that Linda felt that Paul ruined her career, maybe put it on hold, because after they stopped touring she started getting back into photography and veggie food stuff, so I don't think she would have complained about her life.
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From:hb_princess
Date:April 18th, 2007 05:34 pm (UTC)
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Maybe she just wanted to be with her husband and kids. o.O Wow! What a fucking weirdo. (And in hindsight, what a SMART fucking weirdo, seeing as she got cheated out of about thirty years with them in the end.)

This line in particular just bugs the living shit out of me:

I seriously believe that her mere presence in the band undercut a huge chunk of Paul's credibility as a solo artist.

Are you kidding? If you "seriously believe" that, if you have SERIOUSLY allowed Linda's carefully-limited keyboard parts and carefully-mixed (and sometimes buried!) little harmonies to obscure the brilliance and scope of a huge chunk of Paul's solo career, you have a problem with your apples and oranges. You're no better or more discerning than Mick with his "I'd never have my old lady on stage" bullshit - you're both confusing image with reality.

*deep breath*

You know, I know everyone else is singing your praises here for this rant, and I'm probably just a grumpy, over-worked, half-asleep bitch, but...I dunno. It seems tremendously petty, shallow, and selfish to me. The woman's dead, okay? He got time with her and their kids he wouldn't have had otherwise. And whatever effect she had on his music she would have had anyway - she was his wife, for God's sake, the mother of his children and the love of his life - she would have played an enormous part in his music whether she was ten minutes or a thousand miles away.

And an awful lot of it was very very good music, IMO.

*sigh*

Welcome back, hb. :/
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From:abromeds
Date:April 18th, 2007 07:21 pm (UTC)
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WELCOME BACK, AICH-BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!



;P

No but seriously, I'm sooooooo glad you're back. :D :D :D I missed you. :) (You ARE back, aren't you? Like, fo realz?)

And I'm also glad you mentioned the "credibility" line, I took exception to that as well. What does it have to do with anything? Image schmigage. If they were fine with people making stupid jokes about them, then I applaud 'em.

I do agree with the ranter that Linda's membership in the band/presence in the studio may have undercut Paul's motivation to excel, his focus, etc. I'm not talking about back-up vocals or piano parts; I'm talking about Paul's brain ('cos that's what I do ^_^). And it's not as if she and the kids couldn't have still gone everywhere with him; they could all still have spent tons of time together. And I can't help feeling Paul was rather overdependent on her, and it would have been nice if he hadn't been.

BUT, then again, I can't really BLAME him for any of these things, and ultimately I'm not sure it made such a HUGE difference anyway, so...?
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From:chester_bnngton
Date:April 18th, 2007 06:11 pm (UTC)
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even in Magical Mystery Tour part 2..er..ah..Give My Regards to Broad Street.
You really REALLY made me laugh hahaha xD

Well, I'm agree with you in a lot of things, but Linda actually said No, but after all, who can say NO to Paul? hahaha...
And in my point of view, if Paul wanted his career to be lame because he wanted his wife besides him, well... it's his career after all isn't it?. Yoko even went to the loo with John... he also made his career quite lame by putting Yoko's solo songs on his albums.... at least Paul didn't put a complete B-side full of Linda's songs ;)

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From:zyzzybalubah
Date:April 18th, 2007 08:14 pm (UTC)
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I certainly agree about Yoko songs on John's albums. Thankfully, he didn't do that on every album.

I just make a mix of "Double Fantasy" and "Milk & Honey" without the Yoko songs. As for "Sometime in New York"... well, even John's songs are pretty lame on that one.
From:kisha_x
Date:April 18th, 2007 08:42 pm (UTC)
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Althought I do agree with some of the rant, I do believe we all are forgetting that Paul is a bossy person. If Paul wanted Linda to be in something, she would be in it. I never got the impression that Linda made sure she was in everything that Paul did. I thought they just both wanted to be together. :(
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From:zyzzybalubah
Date:April 18th, 2007 09:21 pm (UTC)
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"I thought they just both wanted to be together."

Like I said earlier, they could've been together without Linda having to sing on the recordings, be on the concert stage and star in the videos.
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From:zyzzybalubah
Date:April 19th, 2007 12:27 pm (UTC)

Re: OK, I will try and be calm and collected so that Abro does not ban me from the comm...

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"The fact that you even wrote this rant leads me to beleive that you have never been in
a relationship like Paul and Linda's"

True. I have never been so co-dependant on a girl that I have pressured her to drop everything that is her's so she can boost my ego and cater to my every whim.

And I'll say it YET AGAIN....
Paul and Linda could have been together everyday with Linda having to be on stage pretending to be a musician.
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From:xxprettyinmetal
Date:April 19th, 2007 03:53 am (UTC)
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Being the huge Yoko fan that I am appreciate how difficult it is for me to say this...

Because Paul and Linda were in all aspects of their relationship equal partners the fact that she was in the band only made him stronger. Paul needs a partner, someone who can rely on and work with, John leaves, Linda enters. John needs are the same, although different at the same time.

Linda ISN'T THAT BAD A MUSICIAN! Sure, she's no virtuoso, but still, she's not as bad as everyone says she is.

When you love someone you want them to be with you whenever possible. Paul and Linda had a family together, so working together came naturally. And besides, Paul can do anything and people will buy it, perhaps he just liked working with Linda for fun?
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From:padawansguide
Date:April 19th, 2007 01:33 pm (UTC)
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Here's another Linda issue I'm confused on. Why exactly did she feel she had to give up photography? It's such a mobile thing. You can carry a camera with you anywhere, and I'm sure the things Linda saw and experience gave her a unique perspective and were very photographable. I mean sure, she might not be able to go on assignments or follow ther random rock bands around. Maybe she would have had to modify her career - but I don't see why she couldn't have continued taking pictures and putting out books or publishing them or whatever. Of all careers one might have to give up for marriage and life on the road, I just don't see that as being one of them.

Can someone enlighten me?




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From:minds_opaque
Date:April 19th, 2007 04:03 pm (UTC)
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Wow, I thought no one else thought this. :) I have to agree, Linda didn't do Paul's solo career any favors, and she could have had a great career of her own.

Why in the world did she have to be in Paul's band? a) because Paul needed a replacement for John and b) because she didn't want to say no.

The issue for me is why she agreed to do it. She got nothing but insults for her lack of talent and I don't get the sense she really liked it very much. Maybe she wasn't stubborn enough to want a drawn-out battle of wills over it. Or maybe as annoying as it was she went with it because she loved Paul and knew that's what he needed.

I'm not sure how to think of Linda. I'm not saying she's a doormat, but sometimes I get the sense she didn't say "this is a bad idea" or "I'm not doing this" when she should have. On the other hand they clearly had a happy marriage, so...maybe it wasn't such a big deal to her. I don't know.

(If it were me and I had Linda's level of talent, I would have said, I'm sorry, I'm not doing it. But then again if it were me I'd actually learn how to sing and play guitar decently, so nevermind!)
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From:abromeds
Date:April 19th, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
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Or maybe as annoying as it was she went with it because she loved Paul and knew that's what he needed.

I think that was the overwhelming factor. Linda was always very protective of Paul, and it's no wonder. She loved the guy, obviously, but she was also THERE with him, ALONE, when he went through the worst period of his life -- when he drank himself stupid in bed for days on end and stopped bathing and had to remind himself to breathe sometimes and would wake up in the middle of the night, shaking, unable to speak. Mmmmkay? She SAW that. And much more, I'm sure, we've only got part of the story, obviously. So anyway, I can completely understand Linda wanting to facilitate Paul and be as supportive as she possibly could after that, even if she had to make sacrifices to do so.

As to being a doormat, I'm not sure if you're talking about Paul's career choices or just in general, but if the latter, I've never gotten the impression Linda was like that. She was the black sheep of her family, rejected all their New York rich socialite crap, dropped out of school, married a guy and then divorced him, and travelled around taking pictures of rock stars, many of whom she shagged. She was a bit of a wild child, actually. It's only since her illness and death that her gentle, nurturing side has been emphasized; plenty of people testify to her being, ah, "sassy." ;P There's an interview somewhere on YouTube where she gets all bitchy about the crap people give her for not shaving her legs or wearing makeup/bras, etc. I believe she uses the phrase, "Give me a fucking break!" It is awesome.

With regard to Paul, she said nice things about him in interviews, obviously, but was also quite blunt in some ways; she talked about his "need" to be liked and to perform, about how their marriage was very real, they argued, etc., she even said a couple times things like, "Well, it's lasted so far, we'll see if it keeps going." When Paul went to visit Linda in New York in the 60s, her response was, "Great! You can babysit while I go to work" (she was living in a tiny little apartment at the time, supporting herself with some sort of office job). So Paul hung out with little Heather for a week or whatever, and loved it, of course; he later said it was things like that which attracted him to her in the first place.

I'm not quite sure what the point of this ramble was, actually; I think it was just to counteract the impression I'm getting that a lot of people view Linda as a quiet little subservient-type shadow-wife, and that was just not the case. No doubt she catered to Paul's decisions in the studio and on stage, but, well, duh. Their private life was, apparently, very different.
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From:hb_princess
Date:April 20th, 2007 04:39 am (UTC)
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I just want to apologize to zyzzybalubah for being so...aggressive in my initial response. I was having a shit day, and I used his rant as an excuse to vent and dump. NOT cool. Today I re-read what I wrote, and, while I would still make most of the same points again, I wouldn't be such a crabby-ass bitch about it. I overreacted, and I'm sincerely grateful that more reasonable heads prevailed and prevented yet another full-blown fan wank.

Again, I'm sorry. :/
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From:zyzzybalubah
Date:April 20th, 2007 03:07 pm (UTC)
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Hey, it's all good. :-)

I know that there is much love for Linda, as there should be, so I expected to get some passionate replies. I did my best to keep my comments limited to Linda's role in the band because I didn't want to come across like I was dissing Linda herself. But anyway...

We're all Beatle fanatics so how can we be mad at each other? No hard feelings. :-)
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From:blackbird_num9
Date:May 5th, 2007 07:18 am (UTC)
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I think Paul's solo career would have been much better off if Linda would have kept her own career and stayed away from the stage and recording studio.

Really? i think it would've been the same.
Im not sure what to say to this one, yea she couldve said no but what if the man you love wanted you in his band so much and well...how can you say no to such a pretty face?
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From:blackbird_num9
Date:May 5th, 2007 07:26 am (UTC)
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bleh, sorry about all the italics!